Deutsche DDI Nummer ohne Adresse in Deutschland

[ChrisHaywood]

Hallo,

ich bin auf der Suche nach eine deutsche DDI Nummer (z.B. Berlin, Duesseldorf, Hamburg, Hannover, Koeln, Muenchen, Nuernberg, Stuttgart, Bremen, Dortmund, Duisburg, Essen oder Frankfurt) fuer mein Unternehmen. Ungluecklichweise verbietet die Bundesnetzagentur die Erwerb von DDI Nummern von Leuten die keine Wohnsitz in Deutschland haben.

Gibt es einen Weg diese Restriction zu umgehen und eine DDI Nummer zu bekommen oder kann mir eine Person assistieren eine DDI Nummer zu erwerben (ich bezahle auch)?

Vielen Dank,

Chris

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Hi,

I’m in a need of a German DDI number (Berlin, Duesseldorf, Hamburg, Hannover, Koeln, Muenchen, Nuernberg, Stuttgart, Bremen, Dortmund, Duisburg, Essen or Frankfurt) for my business. However it seems that the Bundesnetzagentur strictly restricts foreigners from acquiring a local DDI number by requiring a permanent address of residency in Germany.

Is there any way to avoid or bypass this restriction or can somebody assist me in acquiring a German DDI number for a small payment?

Many thanks in advance,

Chris

 

[bierdimpfl]

vielleicht hier :

http://www.callcentric.com/

oder hier :

http://terrasip.com/index.php?

 

[ChrisHaywood]

danke fuer deine hilfe, aber leider ist terrasip und callcentric nicht moeglich.

"Due to German regulations you must be able to provide documentary evidence of an existing physical address within the city you are ordering a number from. If you have questions please contact support."

well, it seems that ordering a German DID number without having a physical address is not possible as the Bundesnetzagentur rigorously restricts this.

 

[alvoip]

maybe at www.didww.com ?

But be aware: Any "cheating" with German numbers immediately results in the loss of the number, if you get caught (and you might get caught by a competitor reporting you). So even if you should be able to get hold of a number, you must be prepared to loose it from one day to the other. I don't know the nature of your business and how much you will be dependent on that number - you have to judge that. The least thing you would have to do is to always communicate your American number together with the German one, so your customers will not get cut off.

 

[bierdimpfl]

User's Registration Required:
*Current Address (street, number, postal code and city)in Germany needed
*Passport or ID copy
*Name, business and phone contact details

das braucht man auch noch - also auch nicht so einfach

 

[ChrisHaywood]

maybe at www.didww.com ?

But be aware: Any "cheating" with German numbers immediately results in the loss of the number, if you get caught (and you might get caught by a competitor reporting you). So even if you should be able to get hold of a number, you must be prepared to loose it from one day to the other. I don't know the nature of your business and how much you will be dependent on that number - you have to judge that. The least thing you would have to do is to always communicate your American number together with the German one, so your customers will not get cut off.

Thank you for your reply. As you already stated, any unlawful action (such as providing a phony address, etc.) results in the number being automatically revoked by the German Bundesnetzagentur.

My company specializes in providing web portals combined with telecommunication services. I've been living in Europe for the last few years and Germany is definitely a major market for me.

The problem is that I can't expect a German customer to call a US number in California which would incur long distance fees.

I once discovered a website, offering German DID's with prefixes starting
with +32. The website stated that the prefix +32 represents the prefix for a VoIP number and thus is also assignable to foreigners....?

Can anybody confirm this? Otherwise, my chances of successfully obtaining a German DID number are diminishingly small...

This is really frustrating for me....Anybody who can help me obtain a German DID number (any prefix) will be paid by me!

Danke fuer die Hilfe von jedem, ich bin fuer jeden Ratschlag dankbar!

 

[alvoip]

How much do you want to pay? There are two ways to get a normal German number. One is to obtain a real physical line somewhere; there only the location of the line determines the number. The other way is a virtual number; because there is no physical line, the Bundesnetzagentur instead made a presence of the number holder a requirement.

So probably there are service providers who would have a physical line installed for you and then forward it to California. I don't know any, and that would certainly cost a lot, but I think that would be legal.

 

[Newbie0815]

There are special Viop numbers (+32 etc...) but if it is OK to use them if you do not live in Germany.. I think you should direktly ask at the Bundesnetzagentur

http://www.bundesnetzagentur.de

Before however you should read the respective law: http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/tnv/index.html


However some phone providers request extra fees when you use their service to call one of these numbers (I don't know why, but they do), so it may be inconvenient.

Most of the cities that you posted have universities: why don't you hire a student as part time worker for your company.. who acts as a local representative for your company ? He would also forward any mail that arrives at this address to you....

(My understanding of http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/tnv/__6.html point 2 is that this would be fully legal.. but you better ask....)

 

[ChrisHaywood]

@newbie0815

thank you very much for your link and after reading the applicable laws I'll probably refer to the Bundesnetzagentur directly.

I also noticed that there are a lot of providers charging extra fees for German DID numbers starting with +32 (even when forwarded to a VOIP destination).

I might also consider hiring a student but he/she should only provide an address as all incoming calls would be forwarded to my office (I once worked in a virtual insurance office when I was a student...).

thanks and regards,

Chris

 

[imagomundi]

"Due to German regulations you must be able to provide documentary evidence of an existing physical address within the city you are ordering a number from. If you have questions please contact support."

Did you really read that on terrasip's website? I'm terrasip customer using a DID number in Chile. When I try to buy a German DID I do not get this information and I am not getting asked to present some documentation on a residence in Germany either

 

[Newbie0815]

I think the point of this law is to require a local representative.

(Basically someone to "get at" in case of abuse....)

Of course your employee would not pick up the phone himself, but he definitely would have to forward any "snail mail" that arrives at his address and which has any connection with your phone number to you ....

If I had business with a company in CA I would definitely appreciate a german phone number, but I would also want a local californian landline number.. just in case....

 

[ChrisHaywood]

@imagomundi

The quote was from callcentric.com, but unfortunately terrasip also restricts their customers from buying German DIDs without providing a proof of residency http://www.terrasip.com/index.php?seite=tarife6&language=en&t_country=gb&lang=en#Germany

@Newbie

The authorities aim to encourage any natural person or legal entity to establish a local subsidiary with local representatives. Right now, I have a LLC registered in the State of Wyoming (no personal tax and better asset protection) but as soon as I establish a legal entity in Germany I become taxable which would result in increased corporation and personal taxes...

Every customer demands great support with a local (or toll free) number and having a local German number would be a great asset. I, of course, also have local landlines in California but I can't expect a European customer to call a US number.

Anyway the student thing is not a bad idea and I might also consider this.

Thank you all,

Chris

 

[Newbie0815]

Ups.. thanks .. I was not aware of the fiscal aspects, but this makes perfect sense to me: "big Wolfgang" definitely needs a lot of money for the next years

 

[ChrisHaywood]

@newbie

Hiring a student is probably the only thing that will work...it sadens me to say that it's impossible, even for a legitimate and incorporated business, to obtain a German DID without a real physical presence in Germany.

and yes, it's only about the money which everyone needs so desperately...otherwise, what else would make this sick world go around...

 

[Newbie0815]

I wouldn't see it that negative....

I have been using Open Source Software for years... generally the quality is much higher than for many commercial products....

I have put a lot of work into services for "the community" in my sports activities... / I support people who learn linux ... and I have profited a lot from others who do the same.

=> The world is not that bad.

=> Of course you do not want to pay taxes just to have a german phone number... that would be a bit too much...

 

[ChrisHaywood]

@Newbie

I wasn't referring to people like you who give a lot and help others, but rather to greedy bankers and others who can’t pay their invoices anymore because they were speculating recklessly... btw I'm a strong supporter of open source software too and our products and services solely rely on PHP/mySQL, Asterisk and of course Linux for administrating our servers (especially with Linux you can do almost anything).

Anyway we're drifting away from the main topic.

Thanks again to all who contributed and have a nice evening,

Chris

 

[gandalf94305]

There are geographic phone numbers (Ortsnetzrufnummern) and non-geographic numbers. The former you may only be assigned if there is a clear relationship you have with the respective location (home address, company address, real estate property). The latter you may get independent of your location. This includes 0180x service numbers, 0900 service numbers and 0800 freecall numbers, but also 032 non-geographic numbers that are generally used for VoIP services.

So, if you intend to establish a phone number in Germany, my guess would be that you should get a 0180x or 0800 number forwarded to your respective inbound call center via PSTN or VoIP. There are several providers in Germany offering this service.

The same, by the way, is true for Austria. Only the number ranges are a bit different there.

--gandalf.

 

[ChrisHaywood]

@gandalf

thank you for your contribution, I just saw this. I recently educated myself about this issue and, as you already mentioned, had the unpleasent experience of learning that local numbers, unlike in most other countries, may only be assigned to companies physically located in the respective geographic area.

The only server number appealing to me is the 0800 free call as the others incur service fees for the customers calling. But having a local number is always an additional asset to distinguish your business from scammers (unfortunately a lot of scammer companies hide their rip off businesses behind service numbers such as 0180 or 0800, often operating from eastern european countries).

Btw, Austria, unlike Germany, enables anybody, regardless of their location, to acquire a local number and have it forwarded to any destination (PSTN or VoiP).

Regards,

Chris

 

[imagomundi]

Good suggestion from "gandalf94305". Cost for a caller to call a number 01801: 3,9 ct / minute - 01802: 6 ct./call (when calling from landline - 01802 will cost you all real cost of the call more than 6 ct) - seems affordable.

 

[alvoip]

Good suggestion from "gandalf94305". Cost for a caller to call a number 01801: 3,9 ct / minute - seems affordable.

And from mobile phones?